Superdupregg
So Microsoft caved right?
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JohnStephen
The problem isn't what they are trying to achieve, the problem is how they are trying to achieve it.
It's like trying to get a Utopia by killing everyone with the slightest imperfections, the problem is in the method, not the result.
ShadowBelmont32
I noticed many of the comments in that article talking about having "blind faith" in Microsoft to have lowered the prices of games and incorporate other great benefits had they kept with the old model. I agree that many people had blind faith and that isn't necessarily a bad thing, but like many others said, there was no guarantee that Microsoft would have lowered the prices of games or added any other benefits on top of what they promised. I'm not saying they wouldn't have, I'm just saying that they may not have. I feel that their DRM model did look good, but I also feel that they probably didn't explain it enough to the masses, and that's why many shunned it. It very well may have been, though, that they did explain, and we just weren't listening because we saw/heard the words "Digital Rights Management" and automatically thought back to incidents where DRM completely screwed consumers over. I honestly hope Microsoft can find a way to please everyone, but at this point, I feel like they've backed themselves into a corner, or rather, were backed into a corner by the consumers, and it's gonna take a lot of effort to get out of that corner.
JohnStephen
@Eddie:
That Jason Schreier fellow in the comments raises many good points, maybe read what he has to say before following the article blindly.
Eddie
@JohnStephen: Way to take a joke and completely dissect it like it was real. I even said it was a joke, it was not meant to be taken seriously.
@JohnStephen: Maybe read the replies to Jason Schreier comments before following it blindly.
A lot of good points are made: There is no guarantee that Microsoft will lower prices yes that is true, but at least it opens the window. It creates the possibility. Just saying "Nope, no changes at all" assures nothing gets fixed, now there is NO chance of it ever happening. Again this is the same risk that everyone took with Steam when it started. There was never a guarantee that Steam games would be cheaper, but look where it is today.
Our main split, I think, is that the game culture is certain that EA and their asshole friends would SCREW them and not make games trade-inable. --- The thing is the plan was that you could trade your games in directly to the publisher, sure it was up to them to do this, but if the publisher is going to be making the money they are more likely to do this.
Could could could. Bird out of hand, yes, all true. But look around, we've got a whole lot of Can't right now. Studios are steeped in layoffs, or just outright closing. And moreover, the low (in context) price of these consoles, under the current system, will almost certainly drive prices back north of $60. Change for the sake of change is necessary when staying stagnant is getting (In reply to an the argument that stuff could happen but is not guaranteed)
I also don't see why people keep acting like they would have to buy an xbox. That is the beauty of Capitalism and competition. You have different choices. If the xbox one doesn't work for you don't buy it. You wouldn't buy a cellphone if you live in an area that doesn't get cellphone coverage. If you don't have internet don't buy an xbox.
Also you keep starting this up again my last two posts were not replies to you. You replied to me with "Oh thank God, I was getting bored without the debate. " . Let's just agree to disagree. Clearly we have different views on the subject, so there is no need to keep bringing it up. I know a few people share my opinion so that's why I shared that one picture. I thought it was funny and they could relate. If I wanted to argue with you I would have made it a reply to you.
JohnStephen
@Eddie:
"but all the points are valid:"
This. This is why I made the reply. Not all the points are valid. Most of them aren't.
And I did read the replies to the comment, and the rebuttals he, and others, made. I still agree with him.
Also, I wish they did try to keep going with this. I've said this before. The problem is that they made a right shit out of it. I think the Xbox One is better the way it is going to be now than what it was going to become. I'm not saying that what they were trying to eventually achieve is bad, but what they were doing to achieve it was not good.
I know you weren't replying to me, what I said wasn't sarcastic either. I honestly was getting bored, I enjoy debate as long as it doesn't escalate into fighting (slight passive aggression is fine). Anyway, you say all this stuff about not wanting to argue, yet continue to argue.
(PS, you're lucky I have a headache or I'd be posting a far longer reply)
Bio
@AStingyMiser: First, people want used games so they can buy them cheaper later. Not everyone can afford them when they come out. Second, people might have a good connection now but that doesn't mean they'll have all of the time. Finally, yes all i want is another 360. The consoles damn near perfect so it doesn't need improvements.
ltayl1 1.048596
Well I'm just looking forward to the PS4. Just like I was before any announcements were made.
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